Comic 158 - Sorting out...

4th Feb 2014, 12:00 AM
Sorting out...
Average Rating: 5 (13 votes)
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Dragonrider 4th Feb 2014, 12:14 AM edit delete reply

I LOVE THIS WOMAN!!!! *Pulls up map to locate nearest air lock and gets wrist restraints ready*
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 1:16 AM edit delete reply

LOL - Kiku is a hoot :D
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 4:08 AM edit delete reply

.. she's an owl ?
MikeLinPA 4th Feb 2014, 10:53 AM edit delete reply
They have double barrel semi-automatic pistols at Hooters! (If I ever go to one, I'll tip generously!)
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 1:04 PM edit delete reply

No, no, those are Stealth Laser Turrets !
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:15 PM edit delete reply

LOL ... hey I took care of all the SLT's in this page...
cattservant 5th Feb 2014, 10:34 AM edit delete reply

Who puts the 'stealth'
In the turrets?
Now we know!
cattservant 4th Feb 2014, 12:21 AM edit delete reply

So that was why he was in a hurry and locked the door.
But is he working for his own 'ego' or is he an agent for someone else?
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 12:29 AM edit delete reply

My bet is ego Cat... At least the little I've been exposed to him (which is far more than I care to be), he would make a poor spy. He is too full of himself.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:16 PM edit delete reply

yes he is....
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

YES!!! The 'good' Doctor has been put in his corner... now where is his dunce cap? :-D
Dragonrider 4th Feb 2014, 12:33 AM edit delete reply

It's been placed in his right hand but he really can't hold it to put it on his head.

I really wanna see Tokyo Rose jump his ass from a TV Screen.
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 12:43 AM edit delete reply

Ah yes, it would be nice to see Rose have a few choice words for Dr Granger, before he is carted off. :)
cattservant 4th Feb 2014, 5:14 AM edit delete reply

I don't think he has 'need to know' status.
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 1:04 PM edit delete reply

Maybe not, but he does have a 'need to be cussed at' right about now.
jamie59 4th Feb 2014, 12:27 AM edit delete reply

It's getting so deep you're drowning in it Granger.
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 12:30 AM edit delete reply

He isn't careful he'll be drowning in his own blood, jamie... and wouldn't that be TOO bad (NOT)! :-)
Dragonrider 4th Feb 2014, 12:34 AM edit delete reply

Holding out for airlock and making jerksicles. I don't think anyone is gonna be unhappy with this episode. Weelp wrong again.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 1:16 AM edit delete reply

I think granger may not be all hugs and kittens at the moment :P
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 3:59 AM edit delete reply

Maybe if we drew some kittens on him before we punished him, he'd be more reasonable ?

... no ?
Why not?
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:16 PM edit delete reply

hahah :D
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 12:51 AM edit delete reply
I know that hating on Granger has been all the rage lately, but the man's not evil. Just blind. He cannot see Galina and Amy as conscious people because he knows how their consciousness works. He does not even hate them, just sees them as tools not people.

Would you all really condemn a blind man to a cruel and violent death for not being able to see what he's doing?
Dragonrider 4th Feb 2014, 12:59 AM edit delete reply

He's not blind, he's an egotistical, inconsiderate, numb-nutted jerkwad.
BTW those are his redeeming qualities. So yes he tried to kill one person who he had been told to not go near until accompanied by a full team, tried to order another one killed. Turn about seems like fair play to me.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 1:06 AM edit delete reply
He could not possibly try to kill Amy or Galina as he does not see them as things that can be killed.
Dragonrider 4th Feb 2014, 1:09 AM edit delete reply

True but brutal analogies here. Does that mean Hitler did not kill all those in the Holocaust because he didn't see them as human? Does that mean the Night Riders of the old south didn't kill those people because they did not see them as human?
This is what you are saying about Granger, his character didn't see them as human so he did not try to kill them. BULLSHIT!
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 1:15 AM edit delete reply

OK ok .. Time to dial it back a bit please..
Dragonrider 4th Feb 2014, 1:16 AM edit delete reply

Yes ma'am apologies
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 1:23 AM edit delete reply

I dont mind " spirited " banter but no attacks. everyone is entitled to there opinion right or wrong *points at granger - YOU sir are the weakest link! *

now at the core of King Mirs statement hes saying Granger sees galina as a "tool" and thats correct. he does. he thinks her protests and such are just malfunctions or designed to protect "trade secrets" and that everyone has been anthropromorphizing a glorified walking computer. he would even admit that galina is clever .. but only so much as one pats a animal on the head for mimicing a human.. and he knows for a "FACT" MOST machines can be copyed.. or shut down without harm Galina is the only special case here due to her organic brain hybrid .. so at best he is guilty of sloppy science.. at worst hes charged with attempted murder.. however the fact remains Galina is NOT considered Human if she is a "machine intelligence" ... case closed.

(( I know we know diffrently but just sayin.. ))
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 2:22 AM edit delete reply
Hitler was a man trying to make the world a better place too. He was just wrong about what makes the world better. Failure recognize this dooms us to repeat the same errors.

But Granger's attitude is stronger than racism. A racist sees themselves as superior to others by virtue of their birthright, but does not generally fail to recognize others as people. People that can feel. People that can be hurt. Granger sees Amy not as a person that can feel but as a broken machine, a program with bugs that he cannot track down. Galina is a rival's machine with the same function.

That is indeed more tragic, but it does not make him more evil. Granger would not, as far as we have seen, try to kill a person to achieve his ends. He does not see himself as a killer.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:38 AM edit delete reply

ay Mir .. correct the trick here is making him see Galina as Human.. see below.
velvetsanity 4th Feb 2014, 1:12 AM edit delete reply

He can't see them as people not because "he knows how their consciousness works". To know that would mean he'd have to have completely revolutionized the field of psychology. No, it's because he knows they were physically constructed by people, rather than born like humans and other animals.

However, having been ordered to stay away from Galina prior to this incident yet attempting to dissect her and see how she worked *anyway*, that puts another mark on the psychopath checklist.

Incidentally, psychopaths can't see anyone other than themselves as anything more than tools to achieve their goals...or obstacles to be removed.
Dragonrider 4th Feb 2014, 1:15 AM edit delete reply

Thank you for being nicer than I was.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 1:36 AM edit delete reply
He programmed Amy. That involves knowing how her consciousness and all or her mind works. That's precisely what the implication of true AI is. The act of programing is the act of describing behavior. A program is at it's core a description of behavior. That's all that Amy is -- a machine made to act like a human. And Galina is a grieving man's attempt to bring back his daughter.

He is apparently guilty of attempted software piracy, but that only puts him on par with someone downloading a movie via P2P.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:37 AM edit delete reply

Galina is a rare almost impossable mix of technologys ones that have never been attempted before and she operates totally diffrently than Amy .. Amy's defense protocols kicked in based on what grangers actions were provoking in Galina Amy "Judged" Galina human enough to protect. keep that in mind...
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 2:54 AM edit delete reply
Good point; Galina has a claim at being a human.

But Granger doesn't see her that way, so that's moot in determining his culpability.
velvetsanity 4th Feb 2014, 3:06 AM edit delete reply

So, by that token, if a robber sees the owner of a house as a paycheck rather than as a person, the robber isn't culpable for theft?
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 4:06 AM edit delete reply

Well now, the fact that he had been told to stay away from Galina, changes a few things.

That makes him just plain stupid.
Tokyo Rose 4th Feb 2014, 6:02 AM edit delete reply

Mir stated the situation pretty well. Granger doesn't see Galina or Amy as "people", any more than a computer engineer sees a system he builds as a "person". This is not a question of psychopathic behavior or legal finagling; it's the flat-out truth. Human beings constructed Galina and Amy out of raw materials. Human beings cannot "build" other human beings in such a fashion (Dr. Frankenstein, stop raising your hand!). The paradigm of reality does not yet include constructed persons.

The expansion of the true definition of a "person" is kind of the theme of this entire story.

Granger would never try to hurt or kill a human being. He may not like very many people, he may be arrogant and full of himself, but he is not the type to commit violence or murder. He's not a psychopath.

That said, I'm bedazzled by how much hate the guy's gotten. This is AFTER Cent and I debated over how much of a jerk we wanted him to be; balancing "huge gaping asshole" with "detached scientist" has been challenging. I begin to wonder if he would have been LESS hated if he'd swanned in and outright belted May across the face like Cent originally conceptualized . . .
velvetsanity 4th Feb 2014, 11:07 AM edit delete reply

Actually, Rose, psychopaths aren't necessarily violent or murderous. (The term 'psychopath' has officially replaced the term 'sociopath' in current-day psychology--oh, by 'officially' I mean it was changed in the DSM)

For example, typical corporate CEOs fit all of the criteria for what is known as a "successful" psychopath. The violent, murderous psychopaths are considered to be "failed" psychopaths.
Sleel 4th Feb 2014, 1:19 PM edit delete reply

Well. It could be a reaction to scientists irl. How many condescending boffins with papered walls telling you how to run your life based on the 'latest study' cause they know better then you have we been subjected to? Both in terms of personal health and activities, but in world wide ones. I know I'm tired of the self aggrandizing lot of them acting like they have all the answers to everything cause they decided the science was decided. It's become more religion and they priests then actual science. And he ooooozes "I know better then you you ignorant schlemiel, now do as I say."
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:14 PM edit delete reply

im kinda curious too now, Rose.. :D
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 6:47 PM edit delete reply

And violent psychopaths, while they grab headlines, are a lot less common that other forms of psychopathy. velvet has gotten it pretty much right.

Sorry Rose, if you didn't want him to be a psychopath, you and CentComm shouldn't have given him all the traits you have.

Now admittedly, we haven't been around him for years so there may be a completely different personality (heck, it is possible he could suffer from DID for all we know). What we (the readers) have been exposed to of Granger's personality shows a strong match of psychopathic characteristics.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 8:31 PM edit delete reply
I disagree, Granger does not have the traits of a psychopath. All that we've seen of him is that he was antisocial with May. Wouldn't be the first nerd to be like that. We haven't seen nearly enough of him to judge him to be a psychopath. Lets not be prejudicial ourselves when we call Granger out on his prejudices.
velvetsanity 4th Feb 2014, 9:12 PM edit delete reply

I'm actually being rather objective in my analysis, Mir, based upon evidenced behavior, attitude, mode of speech and previously revealed information about these things (earlier in the comic) coupled with my talent for pattern prediction and extrapolation, which is usually fairly accurate.

And so far, the primary trait Granger has *not* shown for being a typical 'successful psychopath' is charisma/charm.
Talantus 5th Feb 2014, 8:03 AM edit delete reply
Ahhhhh I wouldn't worry about dr. Granger's hate that much. A lot of readers are passionate about what's in front of hem right now and tend to forget earlier page especially if they ah event read them I a while.

Put dr. Granger in a few scenes where he saves galina's butt or something and I'm ready to bet that suddenly people will be singing his praise and because he's a jerk, probably say he's baddass or something like that.

It's easy to get caught up on the moment and the this is the first time we see him, and withouth a background story except for what was told in the comments so it's easy for people to demonize him since he was this close to kill someone we car about and he didn't seem to care.

I myself will reserve my judgement of him until I have a better knowledge/backstory or understanding of his character.

So far he is human, a flawed, mistaken, hopefully well intentioned that made a very stupid decision that turned out with spectacular results.


Also remember that the few pages only show basically a few minutes of real time. Realizations and reasonings have only begun to surface.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 10:25 AM edit delete reply
In most cases a robber recognizes that theft is wrong, but justifies his theft with some redeeming benefit. In contrast, Granger does not see anything majorly wrong about what he tried to do. Or with shooting Amy.
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 6:21 PM edit delete reply

And I see nothing wrong with the Captain shooting him. In fact, I see far too much GOOD in it. I've had to deal with too many assholes like him, cull them out of the breeding population.
Talantus 5th Feb 2014, 8:05 AM edit delete reply
Lol pretty sure you mean unique I. Galina's case cent. Otherwise you may be I lying that galina's not the only one of her. Kind that currently exist(excluding the previous versions)
WinterJay 4th Feb 2014, 1:12 AM edit delete reply
Deep cackles and appreciation for this page have earned me several disturbed looks..... :)
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 1:23 AM edit delete reply

Bows your welcome!
Barreytor 4th Feb 2014, 1:31 AM edit delete reply

His face in that last panel, totally got that "Oh shit" look to it.
Talantus 4th Feb 2014, 1:48 AM edit delete reply
I think that's what cent was going for ^_^
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:34 AM edit delete reply

yep! he suddenly realized Kiku was NOT kidding here..
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 4:08 AM edit delete reply

His "fight, flight, or hide" part of the mind just kicked in.
I think it's stuck in "hide" mode, but there's no cover. :D
Tokyo Rose 4th Feb 2014, 6:02 AM edit delete reply

FOURTH OPTION: SHIT PANTS, BLUBBER FOR MERCY. Y/N?
mjkj 4th Feb 2014, 9:22 AM edit delete reply

I vote for yes, Rose :D
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 1:07 PM edit delete reply

Ugh, no, 'cause then we'd have to listen to him and nod politely until we get to the part where we can punish him for failing to keep away from Galina, as instructed.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:18 PM edit delete reply

yep I think he just took the fourth option .. listen to the nice lady holding the gun .. its a smart idea..
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 6:11 PM edit delete reply

Listen to the DANGEROUS lady holding a gun. Not only does she know how to USE it, but has proven that she is WILLING to use it if need be. :-)
Sheela 5th Feb 2014, 6:56 PM edit delete reply

That *would* be the prudent choice.
Offcourse, that means that Dr Granger has to do something reasonable, which he seems wont to do.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 2:36 AM edit delete reply
It also occurs to me, that in light of Granger's aforementioned innocence, the most reprehensible person in this strip is the one pointing a gun at him. Captain Yukimura apparently likes to solve her problems with violence and threats of violence.

I'm not saying that her position is unjustified either, but the irony is striking.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:40 AM edit delete reply

Kiku likes to use simple and effective solutuions .. and Granger was told to stay away from Galina. she hasnt shot his ass YET.
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 1:09 PM edit delete reply

This raises an interesting point actually - Is violence *always* reprehensible ?

I don't think so.
I think there's some situations where it's the proper response and thus not reprehensible by definition, but rather by situation.

ie. Violence as part of personal defense, is not reprehensible, but beating up someone so you can steal their money, is.
Sleel 4th Feb 2014, 1:13 PM edit delete reply

No, it is not. We not only have the right to defend ourselves, with violence, if need be. But we also have the responsibility to do the same for those who can't. With violence if necessary.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 1:42 PM edit delete reply
Violence is not always reprehensible, but Captain Yukimura is threatening personal vengeance.
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 6:18 PM edit delete reply

No King Mir. She is fulfilling her assigned role. Tokyo Rose ASSIGNED her to protect Galina. If Granger has (further) injured her, under that assignment Kiku has the authority to deal with him permanently.

It isn't a threat, it is a promise and an obligation. It also could solve two problems, Granger and the NEXT would-be Granger.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 9:08 PM edit delete reply
Putting Granger out of an airlock for injuring Galina would do no one any good. It would only serve Captain Yukimura's fantasy. Even if he had killed her, further death would help no one. Likewise shooting Granger for speaking would be a premature escalation; sticks and stones and what not. No matter what Tokyo Rose said, Captain Yukimura can't just shoot a civilian for mouthing off at her, and Granger hasn't even done that much yet.

Of course, as Centcomm points out, she's only threatening him. No one's going to reprimand her for doing that. The disproportional response could be considered a gambit to make Granger back down.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:21 PM edit delete reply

note Kiku has NOT shot anyone yet.. shes taking control of the situation. shes got to get this sorted out quickly Galina is screaming granger is injured and amy is .. well amy. trust me she actually wants to be able to make a cut and dried decision but its not that easy.
velvetsanity 4th Feb 2014, 9:21 PM edit delete reply

Precisely. She's not in any way threatening "personal vengeance", she's using a psychological tactic to gain control of the situation. Given her position as being assigned to insure Galina's security and safety, she *has* to have control of the situation to do her job.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 9:33 PM edit delete reply
But is she faking it, or is she as Don B. describes "fighting the urge to just shoot him and be done with it"? Threatening to shoot him put him in his place, but what of threatening to throw him out an airlock? Her words are surely born more of anger at the possibility that Granger hurt Galina than of the intent to play mind games.
velvetsanity 4th Feb 2014, 10:06 PM edit delete reply

She's making it crystal clear to him just how seriously he fucked up by NOT FOLLOWING ORDERS to stay far away from Galina in the first place. Some beings are too full of themselves to think of anything *but* themselves (again, that can be considered a trait of a psychopath, though not on its own unless taken to an extreme, as self-interest is a survival trait) and Granger is (or at least so far appears to be) one of them.

Also, some people say things when upset (which Kiku is extremely pissed off right now, I'm sure, though she's maintaining self-discipline as evidenced by the fact that despite having a loaded gun trained on him, she has NOT shot him) that tend to either not be meant seriously once they've calmed down, or come out a bit more extreme than in actuality intended.

Look at it whichever way you like, I'm seeing it as a mix of both. Kiku doesn't strike me as the type to act that rashly, she seems (so far) well-trained and highly disciplined, though my analysis on that is far from complete.
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 10:41 PM edit delete reply
@velvetsanity
Granger is not guilty of not following orders. He's a civilian, he can't be given orders. He's disregarding instruction. At worst that could get him fired. The fact that he almost killed Galina is the arguably criminal act here.

Granger prefers his own company, and can be brusk around other people, but that doesn't make him uncaring. We haven't seen him in a situation where he has the opportunity to show care. His only interaction with someone he considers a person that we've seen is with May, who was also not where she's allowed to be, and in his way as a result.

I agree with your assessment of Kiku's temperament. I'm just saying that that description falls short of saintly.
Stormwind13 4th Feb 2014, 6:57 PM edit delete reply

"Violence is never the answer, but sometimes, like with cockroaches, it's the only possible response." - Tanya Huff
Sleel 4th Feb 2014, 1:11 PM edit delete reply

Not to mention she knows Gal is more then a talking toaster, and that he, regardless of if HE knows it, tried to kill her, by intent or incompetence.
Don B. 4th Feb 2014, 2:46 PM edit delete reply
Reprehensible or not, it took the threat of death to get Granger out of his own head and pay attention to the situation at hand. He may be convinced that he is in the right but is only now realizing that the consequences of his actions are in the hands of people he has no control over. The Captain obviously has had to deal with Granger before and is aware that it takes A LOT to get through his self rightousness. She's likely fighting the urge to just shoot him and be done with it. I know I would, having met people like him.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 9:49 PM edit delete reply

at Sleel that fact you just mentioned DOES tick off the good capt... but as others have said she needs to lock this down FAST and granger is the only one still running his mouth at full speed .. so shes shutting him up..
Sheela 5th Feb 2014, 7:08 PM edit delete reply

As for the bit about Granger not being guilty of not following orders because he's a Civilian. I'm sorry, but he's absolultely guilty.

If a Civilian has been warned not to enter a certain locale, and in doing so may endanger another civilian/civil servant/security personel, it is incumbent upon the security personel appearant, to stop said civilian with an appropiate response, including threats of violence, actual violence and even lethal responses if the situation is dire enough.

And that's pretty much straight out of the security handbook from the FBI. In short, if "the police" tells you not to go somewhere, don't do it, they *will* be required to stop you and they *will* be allowed to use "appropiate response", as decided by themselves.
King Mir 6th Feb 2014, 2:55 PM edit delete reply
That depends on who told him not to go near Galina. It's not a crime scene, it's a medical facility. And the "patient" is arguably a machine. So he's effectively intruding on a another scientist lab. He is there without permission, but he doesn't see himself as doing harm.
Mayyday 4th Feb 2014, 2:40 AM edit delete reply

I think I'm gonna have to call Godwin's Law on this whole "spirited debate" down here in the comments.

EDIT: Also, Reductio ad Hitlerum
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 3:04 AM edit delete reply

yeah im with you mayyday ... :D
cattservant 4th Feb 2014, 3:46 AM edit delete reply

So then,
Is he a Fool
Or a Tool*?

[If so, for Who?]
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 4:05 AM edit delete reply

Is he a tool not smart enough to be a Fool ?
cattservant 4th Feb 2014, 4:42 AM edit delete reply

Too Smart!
He's a Fool for Himself*.
What was he going to do with Galina's data once he got it? It's not like he could easily just disappear with it. He does live and work in a limited, security controlled environment.
That's why I wonder about outside influences.

*(I bet it was 'love at first sight"!)
Tokyo Rose 4th Feb 2014, 6:07 AM edit delete reply

He was going to take Gali's data back to his lab and review it. Under most circumstances, that wouldn't really have been a problem, since under most circumstances, taking a copy from an android or robot doesn't do any damage.
cattservant 4th Feb 2014, 8:23 AM edit delete reply

A reality deficient 'fool' then.
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 1:14 PM edit delete reply

So, not only is he so foolish that he makes a fairly useless tool, but also foolish enough to fail as a Fool.

For a fool must have both intelligence, werewithal and social understanding to make fun of the situation successfully without loosing his own head, and Dr Granger seems exponentially deficient in the department that keeps ones head attached to ones body!
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:22 PM edit delete reply

actually sadly he would not have dsicovered untill AFTER the rip copy was done. that Galina was dead and only a part of the data would have actually been copyed.. and nothing of her emotions ...
Sheela 5th Feb 2014, 7:18 PM edit delete reply

Well, I *was* talking about his own head ... but still .. very deficient in that skill.
Lurker 4th Feb 2014, 4:51 AM edit delete reply
If there is a most consistent human flaw, it is presuming that others see the world exactly as we do. That they know what we know, and that their moral system at least maps to ours. My favorite example, and MOST appropriate to this discussion is racism. Racism has only become a dirty world since WWII, and only in the West. Think about that. Now, look at the situation confronting Dr. Granger: You have here one machine, and another biological machine hybrid of some sort. You know--they same way that we know that racism is wrong--that machines cannot possess true self-awareness. You also know that even the extraordinarily primitive ELIZA program was able to fool a substantial number of people into believing it was conversing. Therefore, those people who mistakenly assign humanity to these things are engaged in an exceptionally dangerous delusion. It is a very small step to believe that extreme measures are appropriate.
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 1:16 PM edit delete reply

Yes, but at the same time the big scary security Captain, with the big scary gun, had told him *specifically* to keep away from Galina.

I mean, it's not like he would have been able to keep it a secret that he visited her, especially not if he starts to cut her open.

That's just *lousy* self preservation skills.
Tokyo Rose 4th Feb 2014, 6:56 PM edit delete reply

The captain herself wasn't the one who laid down that particular law with Granger. (Note the phrasing: "You were SPECIFICALLY told not to approach Miss Kotko." Not "I told you not to etc".)
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 9:54 PM edit delete reply
"If there is a most consistent human flaw, it is presuming that others see the world exactly as we do."

Amen.
mjkj 4th Feb 2014, 5:00 AM edit delete reply

Hmmm, dear dr granger has a free ticket for a moon-walk, great :D

*hugs May, Galina and Amy*
Hornet 4th Feb 2014, 11:45 AM edit delete reply
I don't like the guy but then I'm not the machines don't have souls type. But the being given orders to stay away and not doing so shows something stinks. Whether his own arrogance or not, command is not being taking serious and in vacuum that's a bad thing. And finally Amy yes he did program her (in a way that wasn't working), so I'm going to have to say she is more Jet's creation than the "good doctor's".
Sheela 4th Feb 2014, 1:18 PM edit delete reply

Yeah, he's definately done some stupid stuff here.

As for Amy, I thought she was build and programmed on Earth, and all Dr Granger had done was study her, so he could learn to build one himself. Heck he might even have tried ti make improvements, though we don't have any exact knowledge of that.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 2:29 PM edit delete reply

Dr. Grangers was trying to make Amy more "Human" in her interactions ( instead of a walking toaster ) sadly his changes were having no effect amy continued to refuse to make independent decisions.. it wasnt untill Jet and Galina argued that Jet realized that Amy's Directive control sets - ( deasiged by a umbrella type organasation to cover almost any situation ) were acting as walls preventing her from doing anything without direct orders. Dr Granger wanted a copy of Galina's programming because it would provide him with a "perfect" emotional simulation, hes actually rather enamored of Galina's software - but he thinks the body is pure junk and contains way too much biologicals and such and too many flaws.
sense they are going to operate anyway. he was just going to take a "backup" and study the back up and let Galina go on her merry way .. he just did not know how deeply the biologicals are tied to the robotics .. once he does realize this he will proably be sickened at what almost happened..
talantus 4th Feb 2014, 9:05 PM edit delete reply
thus the path of evil is paved with good intention...

...and lack of forethought
King Mir 4th Feb 2014, 9:16 PM edit delete reply
A more common variant of this quote is "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

This begs the question: if all those "bad" people had good intentions, does anyone really deserve hell?
velvetsanity 4th Feb 2014, 10:09 PM edit delete reply

Something to consider about "good intentions"...are they good for *everyone*, or good for a select group?
cattservant 4th Feb 2014, 10:33 PM edit delete reply

But then,One should inquire
Of the ground paved over
How it feels about it.
Centcomm 4th Feb 2014, 11:23 PM edit delete reply

hehe it probably doesnt like it :D
Hornet 5th Feb 2014, 2:23 PM edit delete reply
Thank you, best description.
Sheela 5th Feb 2014, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

Reminds me of a game where an advanced society found a way to go to both Heaven and Hell, so they first invaded Hell and turned the burning brimstone lakes into powerplants, and then invaded heaven and turned it into vacation resorts.

Meanwhile God and Satan were put in prison. :D
Hornet 5th Feb 2014, 2:06 PM edit delete reply
"or Amy could be his parole overseer... talking about irony!!!"
Amy was the base template for Kali???
Sheela 5th Feb 2014, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

Now that would be telling.

.. who knows, maybe Amy *is* Kali ?
Don B. 5th Feb 2014, 5:36 PM edit delete reply
The Captain still has the marks from dealing with an irrational asshole. She was forced to shoot him. Now she is dealing with an unreasonable asshole and threats seem to be working on him. Hope so for his sake as she is in no mood for his bullshit right now.
Tokyo Rose 5th Feb 2014, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

Non-Canonical Exchange!

Yukimura: "You know I SHOT the last asshole who caused me trouble, right?"
Granger: "Yes, and I hear he got back up again and pistol-whipped you."
Yukimura: ". . ." *kneecap*
Sheela 5th Feb 2014, 7:15 PM edit delete reply

A simple solution to an annoying problem. :)
Hornet 6th Feb 2014, 11:37 AM edit delete reply
K.I.S.S. usually is the best policy.
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