Comic 153 - In a dolls eyes..

16th Jan 2014, 12:00 AM
In a dolls eyes..
Average Rating: 5 (13 votes)

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Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 12:00 AM edit delete
Centcomm
Yeah as always it can get worse.
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Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 12:03 AM edit delete reply

:-( And my fears are realized.

Oh, but thank you for the update, CentComm. :-)

I still want to drop a nuke on that guy though.
Vivocateur 16th Jan 2014, 12:06 AM edit delete reply

Oop.
Better hurry up with the captain Mayy or you won't be getting much help with your classes.
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 12:38 AM edit delete reply

yeah.. there wont be much of Galina left if granger gets his way.
JacobJSebastian 16th Jan 2014, 12:06 AM edit delete reply

A nuke isn't good enough. He wouldn't SUFFER enough. I have an idea: it requires a dentist's chair, several rolls of duct tape, a funnel, and several hundred fire ants. and the funnel does NOT go where you would first think.
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 12:38 AM edit delete reply

LOL - wow ok...
Sheela 16th Jan 2014, 12:07 AM edit delete reply

Oh dear, Dr Granger will need some lesons in good manners ... after he's been mopped up from the floor.
Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 12:20 AM edit delete reply

No, don't mop him up Sheela. Just crack the floor open and let him slide down to HE!! where he deserves to go! :-|
Sheela 16th Jan 2014, 12:22 AM edit delete reply

Ew no, he'll just clog the drains. :(
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 12:39 AM edit delete reply

haha
Dragonrider 16th Jan 2014, 12:11 AM edit delete reply

@stormwind, think substituting a nuke for his anusol suppository might be more satisfying. I do hope Herr Doktor Rotwang can speak fluent Russian.

Actually you people are rank amateurs, all it takes is a tire iron and a quick trip to the nearest airlock, let him breathe vacuum for a couple minutes.
Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 12:20 AM edit delete reply

I would say Rose has already corrupted someone... or at least their language. :-D

You tell him, Galina. :-)
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 12:40 AM edit delete reply

well shes really upset and shes been hanging around kids 14 to 18 for the last 6 months..
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 12:39 AM edit delete reply

Whoa... boom splatter.. and Airlock venting was really bad on the new BSG .. its a BAD way to die.
Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 12:45 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, it is a bad way to go. Not that there are too many GOOD ways, especially if someone is ASSISTING to go. :-p
Mister Black 16th Jan 2014, 5:24 AM edit delete reply

I can think of worse things than standard 'airlock venting'...after all, about four minutes without oxygen, and you pass out. Want to get creative? Remember that air locks can easily work the other way. Toss him in, pump the pressure up to about 16 atmospheres. Hold that for two minutes, then vent the lock back down to 1 atmosphere in about 20 seconds. Nitrogen is your friend. *evil grin*
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 8:17 AM edit delete reply

I like that one .. :D
Sheela 16th Jan 2014, 9:19 AM edit delete reply

I think the nastiest way to go I've heard of, was as follows:



A small room with a tiny plinth in the middle, around which was about an inch of acid on the floor. So you could stand on the plinth and be safe, but as you got tired, you would fall into the acid and be woken up by the burning sensation.

Get back up on the plinth, see if you can stand there longer ... fall asleep, fall into the acid ...

Don't rinse ... for god sake, don't rinse!
And it would repeat until dead.

They claimed it could take several days before the person would be so exhausted that he/she could no longer pull themselves out of the acid and would slowly and agonizingly dissolve into it, only to end up as a glob of goo. Most of the time in which you'd be aware of what was happening too.

Nasty, nasty way to die... I don't even want to know who came up with that idea.
Reported to have been used somewhere in south american continent both as torture and execution chamber.

*shudder*

Humans are evil.
Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 7:04 PM edit delete reply

That's pretty bad Sheela; however, I think the worst thing you can do to most people is let them be eaten alive. Especially by something that is going to take awhile, like fire ants. One tiny piece of flesh at a time. If the person is strapped down so they can't escape, they would be helpless and aware of what was going on for a long time.

As I understand it more people fear something like that, so it would psychologically effective as well as effective in killing the offending individual. And it would ensure that they suffer horribly.

Therefore, I think Jacob's method might be the more terrible, though I'm not about to volunteer for EITHER of them to see which is worse. :-D
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

LOL too true...
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

wow thats vile >_<
Dragonrider 16th Jan 2014, 5:25 PM edit delete reply

True however 16 atmospheres would kill an unprotected human before they could get the bends, humans ca stand more but require acclimatizing. However, seeing as a painful demise is desired I would suggest about 10 atmospheres and a 100% Oxygen breathing mix while subjected to it for a period of 2.5 to 3 hrs. If you want to be real nasty play Geo W Bush, Dick Cheney or Richard Nixon's speeches while he's in the pressure chamber.
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

Oh man .. thats BAD..
jamie59 16th Jan 2014, 12:53 AM edit delete reply

Hurry Captain someone needs flaying. Now!
cattservant 16th Jan 2014, 1:17 AM edit delete reply

Dr Granger isn't as smart as I thought.
He seems totally fixated on his own agenda and not even aware of the socio- political ramifications of his actions to himself or others.

Or is he a 'spy'? He sure doesn't have much chance of 'escaping' with his data without being chased. What with being in a locked room in a lunar base. And being observed by a robot who can testify as to his actions if ordered to.

Sheela 16th Jan 2014, 5:32 AM edit delete reply

Well .. he *is* holding his hand right in front of hermouth and she has perfectlly good teeth to bite him with. ;)
Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 7:09 PM edit delete reply

The problem is, moving around causes her to move her back which is damaged and incredibly painful (based on Galina's actions and reactions in the comic). So lunging for Granger's hand would be probably hurt Galina as much, if not more, than it would Granger. :-p
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 7:15 PM edit delete reply

more than likely ... shes trying to restrict her movement as much as she can.
Sheela 16th Jan 2014, 7:18 PM edit delete reply

True, true ... but .. it's right THERE !!
She wouldn't have to move much and the result would be oh-so-satisfying ! >:)
Centcomm 18th Jan 2014, 1:19 AM edit delete reply

Totally valid ..
cattservant 16th Jan 2014, 1:35 AM edit delete reply

Also he obviously doesn't know anything about handling cats.
Let us see how far Galina's self preservation instincts will take her
in a personal physical attack situation.
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 7:15 PM edit delete reply

guess we will find out right?
mjkj 16th Jan 2014, 4:39 AM edit delete reply

Poor Galina. *hugs her*

I hope May will find captain Kiku fast...
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 7:15 PM edit delete reply

Me too!
Hornet 16th Jan 2014, 10:46 AM edit delete reply
Of course most of our anger is derived from the fact that we don't see Gali as just another collection of mechanical parts.
Sheela 16th Jan 2014, 11:49 AM edit delete reply

That's very true, and a good point to boot.

Though to be fair, it didn't take the Dr Cooper and Commander Jung-Hyun very long to consider her more than a bag of bolts. And also, May has declared her a person to his face, so he should at least consider being careful.
Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 7:14 PM edit delete reply

Very, VERY good point Hornet. Of course, Doctor Granger doesn't seem to have much use for most human beings. They are inferior to him, so why would their opinions matter? :-p
Centcomm 16th Jan 2014, 7:16 PM edit delete reply

exactly.. the readers see all the good and bad...
Don B. 16th Jan 2014, 11:30 PM edit delete reply
Even forgetting who he's trying to disassemble, Granger is an asshole. Telling Amy to lock the door shows that he knows people will react badly to what he's about to do. If he did have any official part in Galina's recovery, then he should be helping, not taking her apart. Also, I think Galina did something when she met Amy and now Amy is closer to a true android than a doll.
Stormwind13 16th Jan 2014, 11:39 PM edit delete reply

While I agree with you Don that Granger is an asshole, I don't think Granger did it because he has ANY concern on what people will think. He did for one reason, he doesn't want to be bothered while he is examining the wonderful shiny that is Galina. He wants to focus on that tasks and not be bothered by people running in and out. The fact that he will utterly DESTROY Galina doesn't even register to him, because to him she is just a machine. :-p
velvetsanity 17th Jan 2014, 11:02 AM edit delete reply

"Doesn't want to be bothered". In other words, he knows that people will try to stop him and he wants to get away with as much as he can before he's stopped. Which means he knows he's doing wrong.
Stormwind13 17th Jan 2014, 7:13 PM edit delete reply

And there I disagree with you, velvet. Granger doesn't see ANYTHING wrong with what he is doing. He isn't worried about hiding what he is doing, he is the EXPERT here. Whatever he does is FINE! No, he just doesn't want the frustrations of interruptions while he is engrossed in his work.
velvetsanity 17th Jan 2014, 7:17 PM edit delete reply

Just because he's an arrogant, self-absorbed bastard of a psychopath doesn't mean he's stupid. He knows that if he's interrupted it will be by someone trying to stop him. Which, incidentally, would save Galina's life. Not that he gives a rat's ass about that, as he's quite blatantly demonstrating.

And he's successful enough at his work and smart enough to know that if he does something that someone would try to stop him from doing, he's doing something that other people would consider wrong. Even though he doesn't have a conscience, he's smart enough to understand that much.
Stormwind13 17th Jan 2014, 9:51 PM edit delete reply

I guess the problem I have is that I've (unfortunately) known a couple psychopaths... They don't think that way, at all.

"I'm doing what I want to do... Why are you trying to stop me? No, it isn't wrong, because it is what I want to do!" :-p

They can do NO wrong, as near as I can tell. Wrong is something everyone ELSE has a problem with, not them. So they never 'worry' about it in regards to their own actions.

Now saying that, I don't know if Doctor Granger is a psychopath or not, velvet. Not enough information to be sure. We have more hearsay than actual observations of Doctor Granger.

Even without being totally sure, I'm kind of agreeing with your call there. Doctor Granger is exhibiting some of the traits of a psychopath. So I doubt either one of us will be surprised if he turns out to be one. :-)
velvetsanity 17th Jan 2014, 10:09 PM edit delete reply

Well, for a successful psychopath such as Dr Granger is currently appearing to be, right and wrong *do* tend to be defined as "right means I can successfully do it, and wrong means someone or something will stop me and I'll have to make them suffer for interfering"
cattservant 17th Jan 2014, 12:59 AM edit delete reply

Amy is basically positronic just like Edict. Just more sophisticated.
Dragonrider 17th Jan 2014, 1:15 AM edit delete reply

@Stormwind if he didn't design it, it ain't worth a damn in his eyes, especially if he knew the designer was Russian. He has ideas about how things should work and an android that passes as human is not something that should exist. If it was possible he would have done it therefore it isn't possible now then one that doesn't take directives and cusses him out in a foreign language, that has to be changed.
Don B. 17th Jan 2014, 1:30 AM edit delete reply
Thing is Stormwind13, I think CentComm mentioned that he may have been brought in to help with Galina's recovery due to his expertise in robotics and such. Which means he knows damn well he shouldn't be doing this...he just doesn't care. Whether or not he believes that Galina is a person, I can't see him being authorized for whatever it is he's about to attempt.
Stormwind13 17th Jan 2014, 7:19 PM edit delete reply

Of course he is authorized, Don. He AUTHORIZED himself. Who else has authority over him in the field of robotics at this base?!? :-p

Now I agree with you Don that he SHOULDN'T be authorizing himself; however, Granger is so arrogant he won't even think about that. Not until someone puts a gun to his head and tells him to stand down at least. I hope he is stupid enough to argue... BOOM! Removal of the troublesome mouth. :-D
Centcomm 17th Jan 2014, 3:37 AM edit delete reply

Edict has less "working" memory and less processing power than Amy. Amy is one of the "New" cutting edge Positronic models with 1st Gen Quantum core chips - Galina ALSO has a very advanced Positronic matrix and Quantum chips however she ALSO uses cloned Brain tissue as her prymary Emotion and Personality generation AND her Language skills also come from the Hybrid construction.
Sheela 17th Jan 2014, 12:13 PM edit delete reply

Speaking of EDICT .. will we see him again ?
I kinda liked him. :)
Hornet 17th Jan 2014, 1:04 PM edit delete reply
See him upgraded to a 4 ton construction model.
Centcomm 18th Jan 2014, 1:20 AM edit delete reply

Edict is slotted for a return Apperance :D
Stormwind13 18th Jan 2014, 1:43 AM edit delete reply

Yay! Maybe Edict will get to go to Saturn with Galina. :-)
Sheela 18th Jan 2014, 4:20 AM edit delete reply

Awesome.

I dunno why I want to see him again so much, it's kinda weird actually.
Dragonrider 18th Jan 2014, 3:27 PM edit delete reply

Is Edict Vinnies Daddy or remote ancestor?
Sheela 19th Jan 2014, 1:13 AM edit delete reply

That's an interesting though.
But EDICT doesn't seem too keen on combat, so I doubt it.

I mean, at the point of time that Galina exists, they already seems to have diversified somewhat .. ie, there's an autodoc and cleaning robots .. etc. etc. So there would be military bots too.

If anything, I think Galina was *supposed* to be one of the early military androids.

But "daddy" had other plans.
Centcomm 19th Jan 2014, 1:03 PM edit delete reply

Galina would be best Discribed as "intelligence Asset" as shes pretty weak in the physical department :D
Sheela 20th Jan 2014, 8:51 AM edit delete reply

Military Intelligence ?

*snrk* :D
Stormwind13 17th Jan 2014, 7:09 PM edit delete reply

I think Granger probably overrode anyone in his way, duLapel. The Captain has the spine to stand up to him, and the authority to back him down so she is needed. The nurse wasn't going to piss off Doctor Granger. The guards aren't getting paid enough to get in the middle of a fight between higher ups, so they are standing right where they were assigned.
Centcomm 18th Jan 2014, 1:22 AM edit delete reply

Pretty much also told to "ignore anything they heard" because they "know/think" shes just a robot thats been programmed to "emulate" human emotions so all the trust factor is in Dr Grangers court for most personelle..
cattservant 18th Jan 2014, 3:40 AM edit delete reply

Personally,
I think we don't hear from you enough!
Sheela 18th Jan 2014, 4:38 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, I'm with Cat here, don't be a stranger duLapel. :)

As for wether or not Captain Yukimura has failed, is a bit more complicated, for all we know, the Dr may have military rank and even outrank her, though I doubt it.

Ooor, and I like this one better, it's a trap she laid for him. Let him barge in, discriminate himself and then grab him and throw him in the brig. :)
mjkj 18th Jan 2014, 5:52 AM edit delete reply

I think you have it right, duLapel, but the base is not totally military - and they are in the civilian part of it.
Aetrun 18th Jan 2014, 9:30 AM edit delete reply
Sir, as a current member of the USMC I would have to say your analysis looks to be pretty spot on. I will however point out that even if a guard is posted, if they are green then it is quite likely that a personality like granger's will be enough to bulldoze past them. The Captain should have posted at least two experienced guards with orders to allow no one without her prior authorization (such as the nurse). The problem I see is that May was able to sneak past the guard, meaning that the guard is not posted on the door to Galina's room. That is a serious problem.

@Sheela: Even if granger does somehow have a military rank above the Captain's, because she is from an outside chain of command, and the person in charge of Galina's security, granger would have to outrank the highest person in the Captain's command chain. Since Galina can also be argued to be an intelligence asset, that further solidifies the strength of Captain Yukimura's authority. The Marine Corps has a saying "Billet trumps rank". It is what allows a junior enlisted to turn an officer away from a guard point that the officer isn't cleared for- rank does not override mission.
Stormwind13 18th Jan 2014, 12:01 PM edit delete reply

duLapel I don't think you have insulted anyone. You are pointing 'flaws' out that you see. The only problem is in this case that Galina isn't something as solid as the Captain's car. People don't know WHAT she is, it adds confusion to the situation. I mean, she looks like a person but the whispers say she is a machine.

Two, the situation is further complicated because Captain Yukimura appears to be an outsider. I think mjkj is right, this is a civilian base and the Captain is a military presence on it. She may outrank everyone on the base, but she is Special Security. There always seems to be a mentality of us vs. them in situations like that.

Third, Captain Yukimura killed Rainer the head of security. Security Chief Rainer, which may NOT have been a military position, but a hired position. He was also called Lietenant Rainer by the Corporal, but that may have been reserves, not front-line military too. So the guards in question may not be military but essentially paid Rottweilers. :-D I mean look at the two that first greeted Galina when she came to the base. They weren't what I would call, professional... unless you are talking about hustlers. :-D

Also the Captain may have FURTHER alienated the guards by killing off their boss (technically he killed himself, but she sure helped). She may have authority, but not necessarily respect of the guards of the base. They may be scared of her (she is Special Security), but may only do the bare minimum to fulfill her orders. If the Captain said don't let any unauthorized personnel in, so the medical doctors and nurses could go in, the guards may of concluded that Doctor Granger was authorized, especially if he leaned on them.

To Aetrun, I yield to your expertise on the military; however, I'm not convinced that we are dealing only with the military. Furthermore, the situation is even worse than just mixed command structures. People have been going insane (see Security Chief Rainer), everyone is on edge. It sounded like some people have been confined to quarters, locked up in the brig or medically sedated to suppress the nightmares. Which means some of the personnel that the Captain might ordinarily call upon may be unavailable. She may have had no choice on who she plugged into the guard position. Some of the older, wiser (possibly more vulnerable, possibly more targeted?) personnel might be unavailable for her to use. Don't have enough information to know for sure.

What we do know is that the situation is tense and people are on edge. I would think the base is almost like it would be if a plague was loose on it. They know something is wrong, people are getting 'sick', but no one seems to know the cause and no one knows how to combat it. The unknown generates fear, even in the hardiest of soldiers. So maybe the gruff Doctor is a welcome, familiar figure under these extraordinary circumstances. And because of the familiarity he was allowed to pass. Not very 'professional', but not unknown under stressful circumstances.
Centcomm 18th Jan 2014, 5:51 PM edit delete reply

What you say is true of course. However.. Stormwind may be closer to the mark - most of the security in this base are Civilians. Kiku Yukimura is a "special agent" from Japan. The other personelle in this base are from Britan,US,Germany,Korea and a few other countrys and also this base is run by a corp NOT by the military. Paychecks not rank actually dictate a lot of things. Kiku IS military but even she is not totally dead on :D
Stormwind13 18th Jan 2014, 6:03 PM edit delete reply

You mean, aside from the fact she works for some Shadow Government entity (Tokyo Rose)? :-D Or does Kiku have even MORE layers to her identity from that? :-)
Centcomm 18th Jan 2014, 5:47 PM edit delete reply

actually please feel free to chime in - I love the interactions between the readers - and I have been trying to answer questions as best I can. ( when it wont give out spoilers )

Please dont feel you cant comment.. HUGS
Stormwind13 18th Jan 2014, 6:01 PM edit delete reply

Yeah duLapel, we haven't eaten any commenters yet... Though there was the unfortunate Gingerbread Man that ran afoul of Sheela. :-D
velvetsanity 19th Jan 2014, 12:28 AM edit delete reply

Yeah, and she didn't even share the sugary gingerbread goodness *pout*

But that's ok, I had chocolate chip cookies :D
Sheela 19th Jan 2014, 1:25 AM edit delete reply

*tries to look innocent*

Gingerbread Man ?
What Gingerbread Man ?

... ohh, THAT Gingerbread Man !

Well, I had to go and research it after it was pointed out to me, offcourse and I found the evidence to be .. yummy!

*nom* *nom* *nom*

Also, there *is* no Gingerbread Man ... anymore. :)
Stormwind13 19th Jan 2014, 1:29 AM edit delete reply

LOL Sheela. :-D
talantus 18th Jan 2014, 9:00 PM edit delete reply
well its nice to know that i can give my opinion on thing here witouth fear of insulting someone. i`ll make sure to remember that.

also. i LOVE this comic and, truth to be told, i`ve always wanted to see a comic where the emergence of androids/cybord/whatever you are calling it it taken slowly and where we see every step of the way witouth the hollywood developement of ``machines rebellions/mankind is evil/machine turns against humans/war is inevitable``

i really like where this is going, i am also reading datachaser and love where this is going too.

i can`t wait to see more ^_^
Sheela 19th Jan 2014, 1:27 AM edit delete reply

Welcome to the fold, and don't worry, we don't bite !

... much. >:D
Centcomm 19th Jan 2014, 1:04 PM edit delete reply

Nope everyone is welcome to speak up the only thing that will get me to delete comments is outright attacks on Me or Rose or another reader :D and let me personally welcome you to the fold :D
cattservant 18th Jan 2014, 10:44 PM edit delete reply

So there!
Sheela 19th Jan 2014, 10:46 AM edit delete reply

Hah, well .. let's not rule out plain old stupidity! :D
velvetsanity 19th Jan 2014, 11:29 AM edit delete reply

Human stupidity. The one bug in any system that there will never be a patch for. Social engineering is king even in the future!
velvetsanity 19th Jan 2014, 11:26 AM edit delete reply

@duLapel I'd suggest it'd be more productive for you to bite Dr Granger instead of your tongue, but then you'd have to get vaccinations and such...(besides, I think that's Sheela's job, when you consider avatars :D )
Don B. 19th Jan 2014, 1:40 PM edit delete reply
I don't agree with the forced pathos bit though, Galina was warned to stay away from Granger earlier in the story. Now we are seeing why.
Stormwind13 19th Jan 2014, 11:29 AM edit delete reply

@duLapel, I agree anyone that you allow to carry lethal instruments should have a certain level of professionalism. Having said that, I sure didn't see it from the two 'guards' that Galina encountered when entering the base. Based on those two, I would question if many of the security agents were ex-military. Maybe they played cowboys and indians as kids, and listed more experience than the really have. :-p

Sometimes the corporations get whatever they can. Especially for some Podunk little base on the moon. I doubt there would be anyone elite assigned here, because before Galina was outed there wasn't anything to make it worth their while. I don't think Kiku was assigned here, but came out for another reason (probably to look into all the instances of violence and 'madness' happening on the base).
velvetsanity 19th Jan 2014, 11:33 AM edit delete reply

I think Kiku was assigned here. Just not by the 'normal' authorities. I think Rose sent her to investigate the troubles (and possibly to follow up on a little tidbit she uncovered, such as the enrollment of one 'Galina Kotko' in the local school system).
Stormwind13 19th Jan 2014, 11:49 AM edit delete reply

Sorry, velvet, my bad on my word choice. I meant that this base wasn't her permanent home.

I think you are right, she was sent here by one or more entities (Rose or commanding office of Luna Intelligence) to look into the unrest. Of course, she might have done it on her own initiative, I think Kiku is pretty intelligent in her own right.

I just meant that it wasn't her permanent duty station. Someone like Kiku probably gets moved to hot spots as needed, but her permanently assigned duty station is somewhere else.
velvetsanity 19th Jan 2014, 12:44 PM edit delete reply

Ahh, ok. And then I expanded on the concept. :D
Centcomm 19th Jan 2014, 1:08 PM edit delete reply

Pretty much - Kiku is a "trouble shooter" sometimes quite litterally. and was assigned here due to the hint that Galina was here. due to Rose recieving information of Dr Kotko's death. Kiku is dealing with a Corp mentalilty the same corp that employs Granger. remember you are NOT just dealing with goverment or Military but Privatized space projects.

And Galina represents a significant investment of Dollars. ( or rublels ) in research and construction.
Sheela 19th Jan 2014, 5:03 PM edit delete reply

Space cowboys from the wild, wild, west.
Stormwind13 19th Jan 2014, 5:48 PM edit delete reply

::Offers Sheela a pair of glasses:: I think you need these, Captain Yukimura is definitely NOT a BOY. :-D
cattservant 20th Jan 2014, 12:35 AM edit delete reply

Not a cow either...
Sheela 20th Jan 2014, 8:55 AM edit delete reply

I was referring to the mentality of the brutes that Galina met the very first who was doing the "customs shuffle" with her back in pages 45-50.
Stormwind13 20th Jan 2014, 11:03 AM edit delete reply

Oh... In that case I think you are insulting the poor cows, Sheela. :-D I sure wouldn't want to be compared to those two.
cattservant 19th Jan 2014, 12:42 PM edit delete reply

The socio-historic background at this point
is one of serious Sturm und Drang!
Sleeper 4th Mar 2015, 10:57 PM edit delete reply

Certainly among the more polite of appropriate options.
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